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Bears Draft Study; 2002 to Present with Colts Comparison
I posted this a couple weeks ago in the comments, and have updated it to include a comparison to a top notch frachise that builds through the draft, the Indianapolis Colts. Read on for the gory details...
Grading a draft is tough due to the subjective nature of what contitutes a successful selection. Expectations are different due to round, position, positional depth, team environment, and injuries. A lot of argument can be made over how to measure the success or failure of a pick.
For the sake of argument, I am going to judge each of Angelo's draft picks as either a successful or failed pick. I'd like to make a comparison to a good team, but I don't know any team as well as I do this one, so it would be harder to accurately make a determination. I am going to use “TBD” for several players and leave them out of any calculations. A 6th or 7th round pick to me has almost no expectations, so I'm going to leave them out of any calculation as well, as any contribution would be a bonus.
2009 (4 TBD, 2/3)
3 Jarron Gilbert – TBD (Redshirt)
3 Jauquin Iglesias – TBD (Redshirt)
4 Henry Melton – TBD(Redshirt)
4 DJ Moore - TBD(Redshirt)
5 Johnny Knox – Success (Key Reserve )
5 Marcus Freeman – Failure (Cut)
6 Al Afalava – Success (Starter on a lousy defense, but making contributions)
7 Lance Louis – N/A (Redshirt)
7 Derek Kinder – N/A (Cut)
2008 (3 TBD, 3/4)
1 Chris Williams – TBD (Starting to show potential, but look at the rest of the T drafted before/after)
2 Matt Forte – Success (Based on rookie year alone)
3 Earl Bennett – TBD(Can he even start for the Bears? Starting to show potential)
3 Marcus Harrison – TBD (Key Reserve, but needs to improve)
4 Craig Steltz – Failure (Marginal Depth, not much potential beyond ST)
5 Zack Bowman – Success (Starter who looks to be improving)
5 Kellen Davis – Success (Key Reserve who has great size and potential)
7 Ervin Baldwin – N/A
7 Chester Adams – N/A
7 Joey LaRocque - N/A
7 Kirk Barton - N/A
7 Marcus Monk - N/A
2007 (4/7)
1 Greg Olsen – Success (Starter at TE, but disappointed this season, along with rest of team)
2 Dan Bazuin – Failure (Out of NFL – Injuries, but terrible pick)
3 Garrett Wolfe – Failure (Marginal Reserve – not much beyond ST)
3 Michael Okwo – Failure (Out of NFL – Another awful pick)
4 Josh Beekman – Success (Starter/Key Reserve/Heir to Kreutz?)
5 Kevin Payne – Success (Key Reserve who could succeed if allowed to stay at SS, not bad for 5th rd)
5 Corey Graham – Success (See Kevin Payne, decent depth, possible potential at Nickel, FS)
7 Trumaine McBride – N/A (had some production when filling in for injury)
7 Aaron Brant – N/A
2006 (3/5)
2 Danieal Manning – Failure (Hard to blame Manning due to position switches, but can't stay on the field unacceptable for 2nd rd pick)
2 Devin Hester – Success (ProBowl KR, Starting WR? I don't know. Good pick, switch to WR questionable)
3 Dusty Dvoracek – Failure (Out of NFL; Injuries are a culprit, but producion was inconsistent)
4 Jamar Williams – Success (Key Reserve who was slated to replace Briggs)
5 Mark Anderson – Success (Key Reserve is decent dedpth at DE for 5th rder. What happen to the rookie version?)
6 J.D. Runnels – N/A
6 Tyler Reed - N/A
2005 (2/5)
1 Cedric Benson – Failure (Showing talent with Bengals, but it didn't work in Chicago)
2 Mark Bradley – Failure (Marginal Reserve for KC, but no contribution to Bears)
4 Kyle Orton – Success (Nuff said)
5 Airese Currie – Failure (Out of NFL; guy was track star only)
6 Chris Harris – Success (Starter from 6th round? Trade him! <torch and pitchforks>)
7 Rod Wilson - N/A
2004 (3/7)
1 Tommie Harris – Success (ProBowl player, but lost his motivation; injuries)
2 Tank Johnson – Failure (Starter talent, but past caught up with him in Chicago)
3 Bernard Berrian – Success (Starter after being a project; current Bears miss him)
4 Nathan Vasher – Success (ProBowl contribution, new contract is a disappointment)
4 Leon Joe – Failure (Out of NFL, never contributed)
5 Claude Harriott – Failure (Out of NFL, never contributed)
5 Craig Krenzel – Failure (Out of NFL, one season being thrown to the wolves)
7 Alfonso Marshall – N/A
2003 (3/6)
1 Michael Haynes – Failure (Out of NFL, never contributed)
1 Rex Grossman - Failure (Starter for a bad team, but didn't live up to first round expectations)
2 Charles Tillman – Success (best corner on team for several seasons)
3 Lance Briggs – Success (Multiple ProBowler)
4 Todd Johnson - Failure (Out of NFL, minor contributor)
4 Ian Scott – Success (Starter/Key Reserve for a few years)
5 Bobby Wade – Failure (Forced into action, but shouldn't have been playing)
5 Justin Gage – Failure (A project that was dumped too soon)
5 Tron LaFavor – Failure (Out of NFL, never contributed)
6 Joe Odom - N/A
6 Brock Forsey – N/A
7 Bryan Anderson – N/A
2002 (2/7)
1 Marc Colombo – Failure (Mainly injuries, Bears gave up too soon, tough call)
3 Roe Williams – Failure (Out of NFL, never contributed)
3 Terrence Metcalf – Failure (Out of NFL, worse than Omiyale?)
4 Alex Brown – Success (Key starter for some good defenses)
5 Bobby Gray – Failure (Marginal Reserve at best)
5 Bryan Knight – Failure (Out of NFL, never contributed)
6 Adrian Peterson – Success (Key Reserve at RB, ST)
6 Jamin Elliott – N/A
6 Bryan Fletcher – N/A
So that's 19 successes in 41 picks. It's pretty generous in the scoring setup and a lot of the judgments. I don't like what Angelo has done overall. His habit of fixating on and overdrafting marginal players (Bazuin, Manning for example), selecting injured/injury prone players (Williams), and flat our wasting some high round picks (Okwo, Wolfe, need I go on).
It's a major disappointment that a new administration will need to improve on greatly. I think we could let the painting elephant make the selections and we'd come out ahead, so the bar has been significantly lowered.
I've decided to compare the drafting record of Angelo to a known standard of excellence, Bill Polian of the Indianapolis Colts. Polian built the Super Bowl teams in Buffalo, and after that the Super Bowl team in Carolina. I'll grade out the Colts just like I did with the Bears, although I don't know the depths of the Colts quite as well.
2009 (3/4, 2 TBD)
1 Donald Brown RB – TBD – Mediocre season with some injuries
2 Fili Moala DT – TBD – Saw limited action as a reserve
3 Jerraud Powers CB – Success – Starter to begin season
4 Austin Collie WR – Success – Has come on as a great 3rd receiver
4 Terrence Taylor DT – Failure – Cut
6 Curtis Painter QB - N/A
7 Pat MacAfee P – Success – He's their punter. Is that success? Close enough
7 Jamie Thomas T - N/A
2008 (2/4, 1 TBD)
2 Mike Pollak G – Success – Started as a rookie
3 Philip Wheeler OLB – TBD – Starter potential
4 Jacob Tamme TE – Failure – Inactive most of the season, below Santi on depth chart
5 Marcus Howard DE – Failure – Gone after 1 season
6 Tom Santi TE – N/A – Stuck as a backup, but no real success yet
6 Steve Justice C - N/A
6 Mike Hart RB – N/A
6 Pierre Garcon WR – Success – Starting opposite Wayne
7 Jamey Richard C - N/A
2007 (3/9)
1 Anthony Gonzalez WR – Success
2 Tony Ugoh T – Failure – Lost his starting job to 6th rd pick
3 Dante Hughes CB – Failure – Gone after 2 seasons
3 Quinn Pitcock DT – Failure – Gone after 1 season
4 Brannon Condren DB – Failure – Gone after 1 season
4 Clint Session LB – Success – 2 year starter
5 Roy Hall WR – Failure – Gone after 2 seasons
5 Michael Coe CB – Failure – Gone after 1 season
7 Keyunta Dawson DT – Success – Started last season
2006 (4/7)
1 Joseph Addai RB – Success – Pro Bowler
2 Tim Jennings CB - Failure
3 Freddie Keiaho LB - Failure
5 Michael Toudouze G - Failure
6 Charlie Johnson T – Success
6 Antoine Bethea SS – Success
7 T.J. Rushing CB – Success – Contributing as KR
2005 (3/8)
1 Marlin Jackson DB – Failure – Tough call here
2 Kelvin Hayden DB – Success - Starter
3 Vincent Burns DE – Failure
4 Dylan Gandy G – Success – Starter for part of a season, not bad for 4th rd pick
4 Matt Giordano DB – Failure
5 Jonathan Welsh DE – Failure
5 Robert Hunt C – Failure
5 Tyjuan Hagler LB – Success – Starter for a few seasons
6 Dave Rayner K - N/A
7 Anthony Davis - N/A
2004 (3/6)
2 Bob Sanders DB – Success – Pro Bowler
3 Ben Hartsock TE - Failure
3 Gilbert Gardner LB - Failure
4 Kendyll Pope LB - Failure
4 Jason David CB – Success – 3 year starter
5 Jake Scott G – Success – 4 year starter
6 Von Hutchins DB - N/A
6 Jim Sorgi QB - N/A
7 David Kimball K - N/A
2003 (4/7)
1 Dallas Clark TE – Success – Pro Bowler
2 Mike Doss SS – Success – Starter for 3 years
3 Donald Strickland FS – Failure
4 Steve Sciullo G – Failure
5 Robert Mathis DE – Success – Pro Bowler
5 Keyon Whiteside LB - Failure
6 Cato June DB - Success – 3 year starter
6 Makoa Freitas T N/A
2002 (3/4)
1 Dwight Freeney DE – Success - Pro Bowler
2 Larry Tripplett DT – Success – Started a couple seasons, also depth
3 Joseph Jefferson CB – Failure – stuck on the team, but no major contributions
4 David Thornton LB – Success – Career starter, 3 years as a Colt
6 David Pugh DT - N/A
6 James Lewis - N/A
6 Brian Allen RB - N/A
7 Josh Mallard DE - N/A
2001 (4/7)
1 Reggie Wayne WR – Success – Pro Bowler
2 Idrees Bashir FS – Success – 4 year starter for Colts
3 Cory Bird DB - Failure
4 Ryan Diem G – Success – Career Starter w/Colts
5 Raymond Walls DB – Failure
6 Jason Doering DB - N/A
7 Rick DeMulling G – Success – Started 3 seasons
2000 (4/5)
1 Rob Morris LB – Success – Starter for 4 years
2 Marcus Washington LB – Success – Career starter, 3 years as a Colt
3 David Macklin DB – Success – Started 2 seasons
4 Josh Williams DT – Success – Started 2 season
5 Matt Johnson - Failure
7 Rob Renes DT - N/A
7 Rodregis Brooks DB - N/A
1999 (4/6)
1 Edgerrin James RB – Success – Pro Bowler
2 Mike Peterson OLB – Success – Started 4 seasons before moving to Jax/ATL
3 Brandon Burlsworth – Failure
4 Paul Miranda DB - Failure
5 Brad Scioli DE – Success – Starter for a couple years, depth otherwise
7 Hunter Smith P – Success – Good punter in 7th? I call that a success
7 Corey Terry DE - N/A
1998 (3/5, maybe Mmanning should count double)
1 Peyton Manning QB – Success – Hall of Famer
2 Jerome Pathon WR – Success – Started for a few seeasons
3 E.G. Green WR – Failure
4 Steve McKinney G – Success – Started 4 straight years at G
5 Antony Jordan LB – Failure
7 Aaron Taylor G – N/A
7 Cory Gaines – N/A
If we remember from above, Angelo is 19/41 (46%) and using the same scoring system Polian is 40/72 (56%). A 10% improvement is significant, but admittedly less than I would have guessed before going through all the picks. But I think it makes sense to go deeper into the above and disect the success and failures of each pick. Judging purely on perception, Angelo stinks with early rounders and Polian just picks Pro Bowlers.
Round; Angelo; Polian
1; 2/6 (33%); 8/9 (89%)
2; 3/7 (43%); 11/13 (85%)
3; 2/7 (29%); 2/13 (15%)
4; 6/9 (67%); 8/15 (53%)
5; 6/15 (40%); 4/14 (29%)
The above shows that Angelo really does suck with early picks, while Polian simply doesn't miss. It also shows that while Angelo can find some gems in the later rounds, he's really not much better than Polian at that. To compound that issue, Angleo's successes in later rounds display the lower ceiling of mid round picks when compared to first and second round picks.
Here's a list of Bears and Colts Pro Bowlers selected by Angelo and Polian:
Angelo (5): Kreutz, Harris, Briggs, Vasher, Hester
Polian (10): Manning, James, Addai, Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Mathis, June, Sanders, Bethea
Other Bears from 98-present: James “Big Cat” Williams, Ruben Brown, Booker, Ted Washington, Urlacher, Mike Brown, Azumah, Glyn Milburn, Ayanbadejo, Larry Whigham, Gould
Other Colts from 98-present: Faulk, Harrison, Glenn, Dilger, Saturday, Vanderjagt
Polian has 4 more drafts than Angleo, but he has 6 Pro Bowlers from the first Round out of 9 picks. Only Harris was a first round pick for Angelo in 8 drafts to make the Pro Bowl. Granted he traded down a lot, but Polian would seemingly have kept the pick and selected a Pro Bowler. I know the Pro Bowl isn't the ultimate measure of a player, but for these purposes it's a clear and simple way to do so.
Another way to measure a team's drafting ability is to count how many players on the roster have come via the draft. The below is a real quick count and includes some players on IR, so the count isn't out of 53:
2009 Bears: 33
2009 Colts: 36
Given that the Bears are 6-9 and the Colts are 14-1, I don't know that counting players on the roster is a real good way to figure this. Counting starters is difficult, because a starter on the Bears would probably not start on the Colts. The only Bears who might replace a starter on the Colts are <crickets>, Urlacher, Briggs, Tilllman, Gould, Maynard, Hester (KR/PR, not WR).
In conclusion, I think it's fair to say that if the Bears had two or three more Pro Bowl caliber players from the draft, Lovie Smith wouldn't be the topic of a coaching decision. Angelo deserves as much blame for where the Bears are as anyone. It's been said that Angelo is a “concensus builder,” only making decisions once everyone agrees on it. I say that's for the birds. He's playing it safe so that he can tell everyone that Lovie signed off on the picks to take away any excuses from the coaching staff. Hopefully, whenever a caoching change is made, a new GM comes along that can get some first and second round picks right.
Sarcasm big time here.
Really a wildly good post.
With a post this good it seems stupid to nitpick so I'm not gonna bother.
All I can really say is that I love Kellen Davis and I don't quite understand why he hasn't been around more. It can't be because Olsen has done so well that they can't make room for him.
And, no, that may sound like a knock on Olsen but it's not. Even if he had had the year the media said he would have I don't get hiding Davis. I guess, in truth, this is pretty rich team when it comes to tight ends. That's not a small thing.
Olsen will be okay when we establish a wider receiving front. I really have no complaints about that guy.
I would say my only real argument is giving Forte a passing grade. But with this awful offensive coaching this team has that is probably unfair on my part.
Next year's offensive coach will be a lot better. You won't hear nonsense like, "well, we probably should have rolled Jay out more."
The thing I really hate about Turner is that he actually believes the crap he hears from other people. Cutler is NOT a bad pocket guy, but Turner hears some shit that Cutler should be running more and throwing off his right foot and he's all, "ahem yes, we should be rolling Jay out more, ahem."
Cutler is a good pocket QB. He does have a tendency to throw unbalanced sometimes but so do all great QBs. Call me crazy, but wasn't last week the first time we saw a play action? I know I know...Forte has been sucky, but c'mon, part of the reason he is sucky is cuz he's getting stuffed by defenses who know exactly when he's getting the ball.
Turner sucks. Please leave, Ron.
What I hate about the Bears is the coaching. You can't be allowed to screw up both Grossman and Cutler.
You just can't.
If that happens, the McCaskey family needs to turn the team over to a rich old man like me who loves football almost more than life itself. And I'll hire the best talent in the business.
I'm not rich, btw. Although, I am happy to take money via paypal for my old man rants.
Davis has really done well for a fifth rounder. Great size and athleticism, had character concerns coming out of college that dropped him down in the draft. He definitely is the heir apparent to Clark as the 2nd pass catching TE. Bears TE talent is as deep as anywhere on the roster; only LB depth compares.
I think you're right about Olsen. He started the year as the best receiver on the team and faced more attention from defenses than ever before. Once a couple WR's start to perform and the run game returns Olsen will be a dangerous target in the passing game.
When it comes to Forte, I have to explain my needs for a RB. I don't think any team really needs a high pick to play RB. An average RB will look great with a good offensive line. So when I look for a RB, I look for a player who 1) doesn't fumble, 2) can catch passes, 3) can block. He is very goos at these items. I count on the line to get him yards.
I don't hate Turner like most people do. I think he can call a good game, but he obviously has not gelled very well with Cutler. I just have a hard time blaming him when the offensive line has been as bad as it is. This season should have taught us all that the game is won or lost at the line of scrimmage. The Bears lost that battle in so many games that it fundamentally damaged their ability to do anything at all correctly. It was so bad that it ended up playing mind games not just on Cutler, but also on Turner. He knew he had to scrap the idea of anything but quick passes. Even play action didn't give enough time to run deep patterns. When you take a QB like Cutler and take away the deep ball and force him to pass in traffic it's diminishing his ability to stretch the defense and open up the field. Maybe Turner was wrong, but he believed it. Why he didn't move the pocket sooner is hard to know, but look at what they did when the line gave Cutler a little time. All of a sudden Turner's play calling doesn't make the headlines.
thanks for all this work, jumbo. like old and blue says, not a time to nitpick.
i'd add a couple of things, purely selfish/uneducated opinion:
1. seeing that benson is having an amount of success in cincy, i'm tempted to put his failure in chicago on benson himself. angelo may have paid the right guy the wrong amount of money at the wrong time. we'll never know.
2. peyton manning has a roughly 10 year head start on cutler. manning's talent and health and stability at the most key position for a very long time have given polian freedom or maybe obligation to build a solid team around manning. perhaps in 10 years cutler will have given his general manager the same opportunity. individually, i have little faith that angelo is that gm.
3. jim finks always seemed to spend his big picks on linemen and backers. (purely from memory, no research the way you did for your article). hampton, al harris, otis, singletary, van horne, covert, thayer over perhaps a 4 year period seemed to be the top choices. perhaps having payton already on the payroll gave finks the same freedom that manning gives polian. at any rate, finks rarely f***ed up. angelo sure ain't him.
thanks a million for this good beginning to what shapes up to be a dreary off season for the midgets of the midway. if you start a write-in campaign to take over as gm, i'll be happy to spearhead the kane county office.
Keep in mind the Colts were the winningest team in the aughts, due to their draft and with that they picked a lot lower then the mediocre Bears who a few top ten overall picks.
F' Angelo.
amazing...
Lovie probably saves his job with the last 2 wins I'm guessing and the team should be active in the free agent market, especially without draft picks and a cap.
somehow they need to trade for Brandon Marshall or Anquan Boldin.
Fire da bums already!